What should be my second book?

topic posted Wed, June 13, 2007 - 3:13 PM by  Walker
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Okay, I read Cosmic Trigger Volume 1....and I have been in Chapel Perilous ever since...

I finished the book in January, and although I have meant to, I have stalled in getting another RAW book to read....

should I just move on to the second Volume.....or is there another book which others would recommend I read instead?

I loved everything he expounded upon in Cosmic Trigger......can you guys help me find my next RAW book?
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Walker
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  • Re: What should be my second book?

    Wed, June 13, 2007 - 4:28 PM
    Sure, thing, Walker -- go with Cosmic Trigger, Volume II: Down to Earth and then complete your journey with Volume III: My Life After Death -- Each offers a unique and distinct narrative voice that leads the reader on a whirlwind adventure ride through the loops and transgressions that repattern your cognitive imprints through RAWs magical story-telling style.

    I would also add that, for a real kick in the pants, read Prometheus Rising and be one of the few that actually DO the exercises at the end of each chapter -- you'll be a better (and wiser) man for it!
    Enjoy
  • Re: What should be my second book?

    Wed, June 13, 2007 - 9:18 PM
    definitely get the illuminati papers because it is
    so brief and a great overview of ideas in cosmic trigger books.

    I cannot recommend Wilhelm Reich in Hell enough.
    I also loved Schrodingers Cat.

    But Illuminatus Trilogy is the classic book...even I know I've got
    to get to that eventually.
    Yeah do all three cosmic triggers.
    cheers
    revv
  • Re: What should be my second book?

    Thu, June 14, 2007 - 9:55 AM
    thanks for all the input
    • Re: What should be my second book?

      Thu, June 14, 2007 - 1:11 PM
      My suggestion is to make a shift over to RAW's fiction. THE MASKS OF THE ILLUMINATI is pretty great, as is THE SHROEDINGER'S CAT TRILOGY.
      • Re: What should be my second book?

        Thu, June 14, 2007 - 4:37 PM
        I agree that "Masks of the Illuminati" is a great intro into RAW's insights on Relativity. I mean, Einstein, Crowley, and James Joyce all tripping together at the end is FAR OUT!! but ILLUMINATUS! is the one that everyone has to force themselves to read. I say force because it is quite long and very difficult to follow the cyclic, time-jumping plot, not to mention the fact that several characters switch places often and several of them seem to be the same person. I've read it several times over the past 15 yrs and each time its like a new book. So many themes I didn't notice the first time around keep popping up and it really is still a story that could be happening today if you just changed the names of some of the characters. "SHROEDINGER'S CAT" is the sequal to ILLUMINATUS! But, of course, can be read before it. But I'm sure any book by RAW could be as good, as the Dutchman so profoundly put it, "French Canadian Bean Soup!"

        Ewige Blumenkraft!! Ewige Schlangekraft!! Heute Die Welt, Morgens Das Zonnesystem!!
        • Re: What should be my second book?

          Thu, June 14, 2007 - 7:45 PM
          RE: "Rorcing your self to read the Illumitatus Trilogy - most folks I've talked to, myslef included, agree that once you get a certain distance into the book it's pretty much impossible to stop.
          • Re: What should be my second book?

            Thu, June 14, 2007 - 8:56 PM
            I totally agree. It took me only several days to read it the first time, but because it is such a large book it was difficult for me to get many of my friends to even pick it up. I've know people who couldn't get past the first two or three pages, one asking "what kind of fucked-up books are you into?"

            Funny story about my copy. I had purchased the first, red-cover "omnibus" version from a used bookstore in Dayton, OH in the early 90s and carried it with me to NYC where I was living in an "anarcho-communist" commune in a squatted 6 story, fire-gutted apt building. I had loned it to a good friend who was reading it while I was back home in Dayton for a while. Unfortunately, as happens in experimental societies, careless idividuals run amok. So while I was away, the squat "somehow" burned down and collapsed. Everything I left was destroyed. So you can imagine how strange it was, when sometime later, my fellow squatter who had borrowed my book-- handed it back to me waterlogged and soot covered, telling me he had scaled the three stories of the collapsed structure after the fire was put out and tried to rumage for anything that had survived in his apartment!! My ILLUMINATUS! was one of the few items he could find. I still have it and it looks like it has been to hell and back. Because of the water damage the pages were swollen, and once it was dried out the book became almost twice as big as it used to be. It is one of my prized posessions. I just finished reading it for the third time and loned it to another friend who loves it. Hopefully I'll get it back this time with a little less crazyness.
      • Re: What should be my second book?

        Thu, June 14, 2007 - 10:09 PM
        why the fiction, Sherpa?
        • Re: What should be my second book?

          Thu, June 14, 2007 - 10:43 PM
          re: "why the fiction, Sherpa?"

          Thanks for asking. I knew Bob personally when he wrote several novels and understood that fiction was his favorite thing to write. What i find truly astonishing about THE SHROEDINGER'S CAT TRILOGY, for example, was his sly genius for incorporating the quantum theories he learned at that time (late seventies) into a way of writing that, for me, became indistinguishable from magick.

          What I mean by magick is that his arrangement of words in this fiction series never explains quantum mechanics but somehow invoked for me a metaphysical experience of the principles of uncertainty, hidden variables, particle/wave theory, superluminosity and others by the way his characters interacted and how the multiple plotlines coincided. MASKS OF THE ILLUMINATI does this, too.

          IMO, the more popular ILLUMINATUS TRILOGY was written before Bob fully grasped cutting edge physics and though it is a massively entertaining read, it is not among my RAW personal favorites. IMO, Bob and Robert Shea were having way too much fun applying Operation Mindfuck to these three books to motivate their characters and multiple plots with the quantum finesse of his later novels.

          These opinions by no means intends to devalue Bob's early books. As an author myself, I fully understand that we go through very different eras and stages of our craft; most honest authors would admit that not all their books rise to the same standard of talent and skill. I also think Bob's real genius was as a bard, rather than a philospher. Tim Leary, he was the philosopher; Bob used to call Leary the MVP, most valuable philosopher.
  • Re: What should be my second book?

    Thu, June 14, 2007 - 7:43 PM
    Dude, if you're going to read his fiction - and I heartily recommend you do - read the Illuminati trilogy first. it's the foundation that all his other fiction is built on, and the later works are full of references to the triliogy and you'll get a lot more of the jokes that way, I figure.

    On the other hand, it may be interesting to read them out of order and be able to say "Oh, THAT's what that was about" when reading the trilogy...
  • Re: What should be my second book?

    Sat, June 16, 2007 - 1:01 PM
    it's always good to read something that interested you most within the books that robert writes, i mean some of the authors he reccomends in the books, because, although he is fantastic writer, and i think he'd say this himself, it's always good to explore the boundaries of what he's talking about than get fully immersed, because he talks about so much that he udoubtedly leaves things out, purposfully or not, that he wants you to explore without him telling you. science and sanity, or twilight of the idols by korybski and nietzche respectively, or do some of crowleys preliminary meditation techniques. but if you do want to read a raw book Prometheus Rising this is a more experimental approach to his ideas, which will lead you more onto actually getting in touch with the "metaprogrammer"
    • Re: What should be my second book?

      Sat, June 16, 2007 - 1:09 PM
      "it's always good to explore the boundaries of what he's talking about than get fully immersed" i didn't make myself clear here i don't think. i mean getting fully immersed in robert's headfucking, before actually reading stuff that he's read to lead him to his conclusions.
  • Re: What should be my second book?

    Sat, June 16, 2007 - 9:38 PM
    You're in luck, Walker, 'cause I have an answer, a seemingly correct one at that, which is actually TWO books followed by a third book (this three representing, in some sense, Gurdjieff''s Holy Affirming, Holy Denying, and Holy Reconciling):

    "Prometheus Rising" to explore Bob's work in an experiential manner

    "Illuminatus Trilogy" to enjoy one of Bob's most wonderful works of fiction, a real treat.

    THEN get yourself the "Illuminati Papers" and watch out 'cause you've joined the H.E.A.D. revolution!!!!

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