RAW is Dead - Call to New Generation

topic posted Sat, June 30, 2007 - 11:22 AM by  Dan
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Robert Anton Wilson’s death signifies the dawn of a new generation of alternative philosophers/seekers - it’s with this in mind, that a centralization of his data has been attempted for consumption and benefit.

Download ( www.esnips.com/doc/5e0b93...e/RAW-Pack/ ) Raw Pack I (text) + The Illuminati Papers ( www.esnips.com/doc/f84cba...nati-Papers )

Torrent ( www.alterati.net/details.php ) Link for RAW pack II (audio)

RAW Pack I contains Text of:


Schrodinger’s Cat Trilogy
Prometheus rising
Quantum Psychology
The Sex Magicians
Illuminatus Trilogy
Mask of the Illuminati
Principia Discordia
Excerpts and interviews
Also Download: The Illuminati Papers (www.esnips.com/doc/f84cba...ati-Papers)

RAW Pack II (is a torrent) which Contains Audio of:
Audio Interview on Disinfonation
Nova Connection 16 - Vurroughs, Gysin, Leary and Wilson
Language and Reality
Namu Amida Buddha
Quantum Psychology
Secrets of Power
Techniqeus for Conciousness change
The Acceleration of Knowledge
The Leary Grid
Timothy Leary’s Death
On Conspiracy Theories
On The Church of the Subgenius

Also of course Check his video lecture: "The I in Triangle"
Part 1: video.google.com/videoplay
Part 2: video.google.com/videoplay

(These are RARed files, use the program over @ www.rarlabs.com to extract them, the text varies from .pdf, .rtf, .html and so forth. You will need a torrent client to hop on downloading the RARed audio in pack II)
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  • Re: RAW is Dead - Call to New Generation

    Sat, June 30, 2007 - 6:02 PM
    what i'd actually like to see is a progressive listing of all the books bob mentiones, as a link on rawfans or in here as a topic. i have been thiking of starting such a list for a while on the internet, as i have actually got one in my notebook.
    • Re: RAW is Dead - Call to New Generation

      Sat, June 30, 2007 - 6:58 PM
      that's a good suggestion, burt. I think a good place to start would be the recommended reading list from his website, which I took the liberty to cut and paste below:

      Quoting RAW: "Not the "best" or even my favorites exactly: just the bare minimum of what everybody really needs to chew and digest before they can converse intelligently about the 21st Century - RAW"

      The Mass Psychology of Fascism, by Wilhelm Reich, M.D.

      Ulysses, by James Joyce

      Finnegans Wake, by James Joyce

      The Cantos of Ezra Pound

      Machine Art, by Ezra Pound

      Selected Prose, by Ezra Pound

      Harlot's Ghost, by Norman Mailer

      Go Down, Moses, by William Faukner

      The Alpabet vs the Goddess, by Leonard Shlain

      The Open Society and its Enemies [2 volumes], by Karl Popper

      Confucius:The Great Digest, The Unwobbling Pivot, The Analects trans. by Ezra Pound

      The Anti-Christ, by Friedrich Nietzche

      Chaos and Cyberculture, by Timothy Leary, Ph.D.

      Critical Path, by R Buckminster Fuller

      Instead of a Book, by Benjamin Tucker

      Digital McLuhan, by Paul Levinson

      Saharasia, by James DeMeo, Ph.D.
      For more info or to order visit: www.orgonelab.org/xbjdemeo.htm

      Science and Sanity, by Alfred Korzybski
      For more info or to order, visit: www.general-semantics.org/catalog

      Progress and Poverty, by Henry George

      The Natural Economic Order, by Silvio Gesell
      • Re: RAW is Dead - Call to New Generation

        Sat, August 18, 2007 - 9:55 AM
        What I'd really like to see is a list of books containing Sufi stories and exercises. Bob mentioned the Sufi quite a bit, but he didn't make any reference to specific texts.
        • Re: RAW is Dead - Call to New Generation

          Sat, August 18, 2007 - 11:24 AM
          That's a good point. I noticed that as well. I can't be sure that actual "exercise" books exist (in that way) for Sufism, but some of their practices (dzikr) are uncovered by a little digging.

          I might recommend Idries Shah, a major contemporary author of Sufi texts in English. Check out Tales of the Dervishes, Learning How to Learn, and The Sufis.

          Also check out Coleman Barks' Rumi translations.
          Kabir is another good poet, and the work of Ib'n al Arabi.
        • Re: RAW is Dead - Call to New Generation

          Sat, August 18, 2007 - 2:56 PM
          for sufi stories,,, well the one bob mentions... see idries shah, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idries_Shah, he writes stories about a guy called Mulla Nasrudin, i've never come across any of his works, so i don't know much about his writing style, but i think he's bobs favourite sufi writer.
          • Re: RAW is Dead - Call to New Generation

            Sat, August 18, 2007 - 9:52 PM
            He's often known as "Nasruddin Hodja", which is the Turkish equivalent of "Mullah Nasruddin".

            There is a GREAT book in English with nice art work calle "The Tales of Nasrettin Hoca" translated by Talat Halman, ISBN #975-95481-0-0 or check out www.dost.ws

            I'd shy away from the Idries Shah stuff. He was a shyster and was not a traditional "Sufi" as he claimed. He took advantage of quite a few guillable folks (Doris Lessing, Robert "The White Goddes" Graves, J.G. Bennett, etc). Idries rode the wave and figured he'd live off the earnings of those with little to no knowledge of the sufi tradition.
            • pau
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              Re: RAW is Dead - Call to New Generation

              Thu, August 30, 2007 - 1:49 AM
              I think Idries Shah's stuff is very good. Anyway most of the stuff he published is actually material from previous sufis. The Nasruddin stories are a lot older then Idries Shah, and he has a couple of books with that material.
              Idries Shah was not a traditional sufi in the sense of the turkish dancing sufis. The Turkish dancing sufis still follow the dancing techniques inherited through hundreds of years.
              From what I heard the dancing sufis in Turkey now are only alowed to dance as a tourist attraction.
              Another list of books that are recommended are www.ishkbooks.com/books/rec...ading.html

              Why do you claim he is a shyster?
              • Re: RAW is Dead - Call to New Generation

                Thu, August 30, 2007 - 9:11 AM
                www.amazon.com/Sun-Midnig...441-7520107

                I love this one, and the author previously published a book with Falcon on a different subject.

                after that, get into some Ibn'Arabi and you're on to some good stuff.
                • Re: RAW is Dead - Call to New Generation

                  Wed, February 20, 2008 - 3:09 PM
                  a list of books mentioned by robert anton wilson in prometheus rising, i don't think it's exhaustive but it's a start• life after death by ian wilson
                  • cracking up (a story about erosion) by jaqui baily
                  • dark night of the soul by st john of the cross
                  • mind and nature by gregory bateson
                  • the third mind by william burroughs
                  • david copperfield by charles dickens
                  • biological time by bernie taylor
                  • cybernetic conspiracy by constatin negoita
                  • james joyce: years growth by peter costello
                  • sex and temperament margeret mead
                  • a recipe for bliss by carl shmidt
                  • the aquarian conspiracy by marilyn ferguson
                  • [jane eyre (blooms guides)] and [joan of arc] by howard bloom
                  • the eyes of the sun by peter malsin
                  • natural law by robert p george
                  • future shock by alvin toffler
                  • labyrinth of chaos by brian wallace
                  • beyond duality by laurance galian
                  • wilhelm reich by colin wilson
                  • viatnam war by kathlyn and martin gay
                  • the magic room by scott spencer
                  • the structure of scientific revolutions by thomas s kuhn
                  • biological time bomb by gordon rattray taylor
                  • fuzzy sets by constantin virgil negoita
                  • space time transients and unusual events
                  • pole shift by john white
                  • mass communication by charles r wright
                  • from terrorism to world peace by charles w meister
                  • the prospect of immortality by robert c w ettinger
                  • future evolution of man by sri aurobindo
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                    Re: RAW is Dead - Call to New Generation

                    Mon, March 24, 2008 - 2:32 PM
                    Godel, Escher, Bach: An Eternal Golden Braid by Douglas Hofstadter
                    • Re: RAW is Dead - Call to New Generation

                      Fri, March 28, 2008 - 12:29 PM
                      "Godel, Escher, Bach: An Eternal Golden Braid by Douglas Hofstadter"

                      Are you sure you don't mean "Ether, God, & Devil: Cosmic Superimposition" ? This one's by WR.
                      • Eva
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                        Re: RAW is Dead - Call to New Generation

                        Wed, April 2, 2008 - 9:01 AM
                        Phil - I also heard of a movie being made in Iran about the Islam story of Christ. They focus on his message & believe that Judas was crucified in his stead and he rose to heaven unbloodied during the last supper. I'm extremely interested in watching this version. I'll also check out the Last Temptation also. I hate when tellings of Christ ignore his humanity as if it's not as useful to us as his divinity and his stupid fucking suffering. Sorry, I just really hate when that's glorified.

                        Dan - both great books! It's good of Douglas to superimpose Godel, Escher, & Bach that way :-)
        • Re: RAW is Dead - Call to New Generation

          Sat, February 23, 2008 - 12:36 PM
          Actually, Bob refers specifically to Sufi writer Idries Shah several times in the original Cosmic Trigger. He mentions both Shah's The Dermis Probe (which he calls "a book of strange parables") and Shah's first book on the Sufis titled -- what else? -- The Sufis (to which Robert Graves wrote the introduction).

          Mr. Shah, who died in 1996, was undoubtedly the highest profile and most prolific popularizer of Sufism and Sufi stories in the English language. Rather prolific, he produced many other collections of stories, almost all of which are in still in print and, if not, were popular enoungh to be easily available used.

          Some people apparently considered Shah, rather extravagantly, "the Teacher of the Age" and others were equally convinced that he was a charlatan and a con man. He seemed bright and thougtful to me, and I find it hard to dislike someone who liked to quote the Sufi dictum that "He who has no sense of humor has no soul"!

          As for exercises, although I'm sure you could find some described in print somewhere, Sufis generally seem to discourage the dissemination of specific exercises to the public at large. They believe, as I understand it, that exercises should be assigned to people on an individualized basis and that those individuals then need to be supervised by someone who knows what they are doing.

          Also, at least according to Shah, they believe that the stories themselves are meant to be absorbed and to have an impact -- rather than being read simply for intellectual stimulation or entertainment value -- and that one should not come and ask for more without first taking advantage of that which has already been provided.

          If one accepts the proposition that these exercises might have the effects that they are purported to -- and given the number of folks that can be found wandering around who do not seem to have gained much if anything from their years of "spiritual practice" -- this seems like a reasonable policy.

          Once, when asked his opinion of self-appointed Sufis, Shah replied "We object not so much to the method of appointment as to the quality of the appointees!"
      • Re: RAW is Dead - Call to New Generation

        Wed, February 20, 2008 - 4:07 PM
        On that list, I highly recommend "Progress and Poverty." I've been a fan of Henry George's ideas for a long time, and it's sad that so few people are familiar with them. I have been thrilled to see RAW mention Henry George positively in his writings, even if he ultimately ends up siding with Proudhon over him.
  • Re: RAW is Dead - Call to New Generation

    Wed, February 27, 2008 - 7:59 AM
    I'm a new member here, but I've been reading Wilson since the late 90's. Do I need to say it changed my life? I was saddened to hear of Bob's death(the most recent). Seeing this kind of discussion about "keeping the faith" fills me with enthusiasm. I think Wilson's ideas need to be explored and preserved. The way I see it, it really is up to those of us who have learned from him carry the discussion forward. Peace
    • Re: RAW is Dead - Call to New Generation

      Sat, March 8, 2008 - 8:41 PM
      RAW has gone but NOT dead !


      . . .
      • Re: RAW is Dead - Call to New Generation

        Tue, March 18, 2008 - 3:31 PM
        i'm not actually convinced he's dead. how many times have we been through this? enough already!
        • Re: RAW is Dead - Call to New Generation

          Wed, March 19, 2008 - 3:53 PM
          "Death is a circuit three symbol for fear." Timothy Leary

          The discussion about whether Bob might be dead or not may be irrelevcant. Knowing Bob when I did, I'm pretty sure he would have wanted the memes he frontiered to continue propagating like Harvey's bunnies in fertile minds everywhere, ad infinitum. I think it was the novel ideas he developed and transmitted that he would want to be most remembered for, rather than his corporeal mortal coil.
          • Eva
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            Re: RAW is Dead - Call to New Generation

            Fri, March 21, 2008 - 10:06 PM
            I believe in Quantum Psychology, RAW talks about all that was done to stifle Wilhelm Reich. He says that when books are burned/banned, they're banned for 10 years, but 2 of Reich's books were banned for 50 years. One of them was about spontaneous remission of diseases & one of them was about the global effects of Hiroshima & Nagasaki. He doesn't mention the titles (I don't think - don't have a copy of QP handy).

            Does anyone know what they may be & how we may get our hands on them? He died in 1957, that means 2007 = 50 years is up. I really really want them.
            • Re: RAW is Dead - Call to New Generation

              Tue, March 25, 2008 - 9:28 AM
              Eva:
              The archives that were "locked" for 50 years are in the collection of the "Wilhelm Reich Infant Trust". Here is a link:

              www.wilhelmreichmuseum.org/index.html

              While I have an incredible degree of respect for this organization and the efforts/money they have put into keeping the writings of Reich in print, you should know that they are rather dogmatic when it comes to Reich. They "know" that Reich's maps ARE the territory. I don't like to write negative statements about an organization that has worked tirelessly to keep his books in print (I have worked in the mental health field for the past decade and Reich's work deeply influences my work) but one must know both the good and the bad about any such group of folks.

              If you are interested in Reich's work, a great book that I think is still in print is "Fury on Earth" by Myron Sharaf. He was a student of Reich and continued in the Reichian tradition even after Reich (allegedly) had an affair with his wife. Another good book written my favorite therapist is "Honoring the Body", the autobiography of Alexander Lowen. Lowen continued the "psychological" work of Reich after Reich changed his focus to his orgone studies. In "Honoring the Body" Lowen discusses his early work with Reich and gives his reasons for parting ways with him. In fact, some of the best contemporary books on body-based therapy are by Lowen (of course this is my opinion).

              I could go on and on about Reich as he has played such an important role in my both my personal and professional life.
              • Re: RAW is Dead - Call to New Generation

                Tue, March 25, 2008 - 2:29 PM
                Thanks Hank.... and very good and well balanced commentary.
                I've looked at the link and site but it does not answer the question about specific books
                being held back for 50 years.

                Does anyone know the answer to that and do we think an inquiry to the museum / trust would
                approach a detailed accurate answer?
                cheers
                rr.
                • Re: RAW is Dead - Call to New Generation

                  Tue, March 25, 2008 - 4:59 PM
                  Questions worth asking...why were Reich's books burned ? why the continue security around his works ? Reich was onto something and part of that somethig involved liberating human sexual response for the masses and its blossoming of spiritual autonomy. Imagine the general populace waking up to their true sexuality and innate autonomy. The results would lead to massive revolt and anarchy, two major inconveniences for the rulers of any capitalist society molting into a corporate fascist state by replacing democracy with plutocracy.

                  I highly recommend Reich's seminal book, "THE MURDER OF CHRIST", which is not about Christianity as much as the scathing exposure of a widespread cultural nightmare destined to condition consumers into a swarming mass of accidental psychopaths.
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                    Re: RAW is Dead - Call to New Generation

                    Tue, March 25, 2008 - 6:23 PM
                    "Murder of Christ"

                    Yes, yes, yes...a must read! It might seem odd to some that, IMO, some of Reich's books seem more relevant today than they when first published.
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                    Re: RAW is Dead - Call to New Generation

                    Tue, March 25, 2008 - 6:45 PM
                    Yes my friend sherpa, but it is important to remember that Reich had a very strong bias against anything framed as spiritual or mystical, alas.
                    The questions you've asked here are fundamental to his work but also more easily answered.
                    I'm wondering , as posited by Eva, if there are specific books that survived the destruction by the FBI that are being held by the trust,
                    and were they due to come out after 50 years and if so why.
                    Also I wish this thread was over at the Reich tribe which I moderate because there may be some people over there that have some answers as well....so if there are no objections I am going to post from Eva's original question over there and see what else comes up.
                    cheers
                    revVrob
                    • Re: RAW is Dead - Call to New Generation

                      Tue, March 25, 2008 - 7:05 PM
                      re; 'Reich had a very strong bias against anything framed as spiritual or mystical"

                      yeah, as these were defined in the most lame, literalist boneheaded ways. i asked bob wilson once what he meant by the term "mystical", a word he occasionally used in conversation. he said, "mysticism is whatever opens you up to the cosmos". brilliant, i thought. he could have also been talking about the after-effects of reich's orgone generator.
                      • Eva
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                        Re: RAW is Dead - Call to New Generation

                        Wed, March 26, 2008 - 12:50 AM
                        Thanks to all! I'll definitely check out the Reich tribe & try to come by the Murder of Christ book. It's funny my sister just made me watch the movie The Passion of The Christ last week. I was visiting her, & we got to talking religion & she couldn't believe I hadn't watched it yet. I knew I didn't want to watch it, but talking to her made me feel like one of those hard core right wingers who refuses to watch a Michael Moore movie. So I figured why not? The good I got out of it was an even greater appreciation for the the South Park episode making fun of it & Mel Gibson's obsession with torture. It made me think of the part of Clockwork Orange where he gets off on the idea of torturing Christ.

                        But the whole Christ schpeal: Virgin Birth (sexual repression) + Christ's suffering (if he suffered for you, shouldn't you be suffering too?) = what a great way to fuck up the masses.

                        I'm not a Christian but I like going to the big Assyrian church in Chicago every now & then. That movie made me lose my appetite for it this time in town.
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                          Wed, March 26, 2008 - 8:59 AM
                          also... if you are interested in a SPIRITUAL movie about the Christ... I highly recommend Martin Scorcese's The Last Temptation of Christ. I watch it about once every two years. It is a great movie about the relationship between being both human and of the divine and the journey of experiencing movement from one to the other.
                          • Re: RAW is Dead - Call to New Generation

                            Wed, March 26, 2008 - 9:26 AM
                            "also... if you are interested in a SPIRITUAL movie about the Christ... I highly recommend Martin Scorcese's The Last Temptation of Christ. I watch it about once every two years. It is a great movie about the relationship between being both human and of the divine and the journey of experiencing movement from one to the other."

                            And Peter Gabriel's score for it is just so damn good, too.
                      • Re: RAW is Dead - Call to New Generation

                        Wed, March 26, 2008 - 9:13 AM
                        When I read Reich, I replace the word "mysticism" with "faith".
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                          Wed, March 26, 2008 - 10:50 AM
                          interesting because so many people I know have big problem with the word
                          faith... it took me a long time to come to a useful and profound understanding of the
                          word faith, whereas I had a very immediate, useful and profound connection
                          with the word mysticism....

                          of course now we are at the heart of all spirituality and reality, because the meanings
                          we assign to doodles, and symbols and words, effect and define our reality.

                          So if a person is raised with a definition that is heavily influenced by their surroundings.
                          and finds that definition to be inaccurate or unpleasant, it can take even more effort to
                          get back to a useful context in the area that symbol or word is addressing... ie. God, faith,
                          mysticism, Walmart, Charlie Chaplin, whatever. : )

                          cheers

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